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  • in reply to: Trail Fork Springs Water #4409
    Ranger Lon
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    Recent reports say lots of water at Trail Fork Springs. Do not judge the water coming out of the pipe – it is partially blocked. Look down stream from there to locate the main water flow.

    in reply to: Santa Ana River Trailhead Parking #4408
    Ranger Lon
    Participant

    The road was closed due to damage from the Valentine day 2019 storm, but the trail is open. Parking at the trailhead near Highway 38 is not closed. Also open are Aspen Grove and Fish Creek trailhead parking lots on 1N05 in case you want to consider doing the trail in the reverse direction.

    in reply to: MineShaft Flat Campground #4407
    Ranger Lon
    Participant

    Refer to Hikin Jim’s CalTopo (He listed it in his reply to the High Creek post about a month ago) rather than the Tom Harrison in this case. Tom Harrison has misplaced Mineshaft Flats camp – it is a little further away from Mineshaft Saddle and the Cal Topo has a better location for the camp. The water back there is in the Northfork creek mentioned above just a short distance from the camp. We don’t get a lot of trail reports from back there, but the general outlook I have gotten from over the past 7 years is that the water runs fairly reliable until sometime around mid to late summer. If you plan to go there after the end of July, you will want to know about other water sources in case you need them. Again the CalTopo does a good job of indicating the creek locations, but you’ll want to reach out to this forum (or SGWA or SocalHikers Facebook groups) again for any updates that we or other hikers can give you.

    You can get to Mineshaft Flats either by way of the Fish Creek trail to Fish Creek Saddle, then to Mineshaft Saddle and then down the Mineshaft/Big Tree trail, OR you can get there via South Fork to Dry Lake and take the route through Trail Flats to Mineshaft Saddle and so forth.

    Nearby water at Lodgepole Spring should be reliable until the end of summer. Fish Creek (near Fish Creek camp) should be OK until the end of summer.

    Hope that helps.

    in reply to: San Bernardino Peak trailhead #4366
    Ranger Lon
    Participant

    That trailhead has been open since the snow melted enough to access it in January.

    in reply to: Grinnell East Ridge #4355
    Ranger Lon
    Participant

    I passed along the additional coordinates and photo and it is being forwarded the the appropriate LEO. They are interested in these reports and will do something about it, but manpower could be a factor. It has been reported and is in their hands now.

    Just a word about the condition of the trail. Unfortunately with the Visitor Center still closed we cannot always get the message across that this trail is basically non-existent due to the damage of the Lake Fire. If you are planning to go in this part of the wilderness, you are basically going cross country and you better have good navigational tools and skills. Unlike the other trails, you will not have much to guide you on the ground.

    Last year we did work on the first few miles of the trail and that is why you can get so far before the trail seems to disappear. No doubt, more work will come and it will get better – just not sure how soon.

    in reply to: Jackstraw Water #4354
    Ranger Lon
    Participant

    The last trail report I saw was in early May when there was too much snow to locate the spring, but I can say that Jackstraw Springs normally runs well into the fall every year. It can get down to a trickle later in the summer, but with patience you can still draw water from there.

    If no one else responds before you plan to go, you may want to carry a little extra just to be sure, but I am confident that you will find the spring flowing up there.

    Also, if you plan to continue to the ridge or the peaks beyond, you can also stop in at High Meadow Springs camp. The water was reported to be abundant there only a week or two ago. That spring also normally runs into the fall but can be more difficult to locate. Check the maps for the locations of the spring/creeks to help locate the water at these camps.

    in reply to: Grinnell East Ridge #4329
    Ranger Lon
    Participant

    Jay,

    With the Visitor Center closed since mid-March no reports like this have come to my attention. I will pass along your updated report to the Forest Service to let them know. Thanks

    in reply to: Lost tent :( #4304
    Ranger Lon
    Participant

    Just heard from someone that says he has your tent. I’ve suggested he contact you through the forum. If there is any problem, I will see what I can do to help getting this back to you.

    in reply to: Shields Flat #4300
    Ranger Lon
    Participant

    That was supposed to say lower, not loser regarding the flow rate.

    in reply to: Shields Flat #4299
    Ranger Lon
    Participant

    Shields has no water close by. You would be about half way between High Meadow Springs and Trail Fork Springs. Both have loser flow than other creeks on the mountain, but tend to run reliably most of the year.

    High Meadow Spring will be on the way to San Gorgonio (if that is part of the plan) and will take you on a side trip down to the camp and then down further to the meadow where the spring runs.

    Trail Fork Springs can be difficult to find the water flow. Years ago someone shoved a pipe into the spring and it has since become clogged, so people see no water coming from the pipe and they declare the spring to be dry. Meanwhile down in the gully below that spot, the water does emerge from the ground and flows down into what becomes Forsee Creek. It does take some hunting but I have been told by patrols in past years that it has been running well into the fall, even while others were saying there was no water. Look on the map to see where the creek goes and it should help you find it.

    If you are getting there by way of the Forsee Creek trail, plan to also take advantage of the water at Jackstraw Springs as a possible failsafe.

    Hope that helps

    in reply to: Dollar Lake Water Status #4298
    Ranger Lon
    Participant

    The small spring at Dollar should continue running for a month or two more at the very least. Take your time and be patient gathering the water, you should be OK. Also count on the much larger creek at South Fork Meadow which runs year round. Just stop in at the split between Dry Lake and Dollar Lake trails and top off so you won’t have to rely solely on the small spring at the lake.

    in reply to: Dry Lake/Lodgepole Water #4297
    Ranger Lon
    Participant

    Lodgepole Spring is pretty reliable most years. We did have a problem with it at the end of the drought, but before then it ran well to the end of summer most years. If you plan to go soon, you should be OK. If you are planning for late August or later, you’ll want to check back again to get the latest status.

    Also, you should count of the water at South Fork Meadow as it flows year round. Maybe top off when you go through on the way up and if Lodgepole is running low when you get there, save your water for the stay and top off on the way back out as you cross South Fork creek.

    Ranger Lon
    Participant

    Hunting is allowed in the San Bernardino National Forest (which includes the San Gorgonio Wilderness.) The rules that govern hunting are those detailed by the California Department of Fish and Wildlife and you can find their information at their website: https://wildlife.ca.gov/Hunting/Deer#54774-zones–hunts

    The SGW is in Zone D14. You can hunt anywhere in the wilderness, but you have to be aware of the proximity to populated areas before you shoot. Most of the places where the game will be are not where people are, but you still need to be aware of the camp and trail locations as well as the residences outside of the wilderness boundary in case you happen to be near the borders.

    Do we allow hunters in the wilderness? Of course we do! Anyone can obtain a day hike or overnight permit as long as the quota of permits has not been filled. While day hikes do not currently require a permit, the Deer season starts at the end of summer (Bow hunting usually in September and Rifle hunting in October – check DFW’s web site for season dates.)  We are expecting a new Forest Order soon to bring back the Day Hike permit requirement, so that will likely be back in force by Deer season.

    Best way to ensure you can get a permit for the camp location is to request is as soon as you can. We issue permits up to 3 months in advance, so mid to lat July, you can request a permit for mid to late October dates. In truth, you can probably get the back area camps like Mineshaft Flats as late as a month out from the date, but Hunters are very fond of that back country area and we fill up some of the camps as quickly as mid summer demand does, so the sooner you can plan your hunting trip, the better.

    When Mill Creek reopens, come by and we can tell you how the whole thing works and discuss access to the more remote areas. Want to know where the deer are? Unfortunately we don’t have access to their appointment calendars, so you’ll have to check with someone else about that. 😉

    in reply to: Lost tent :( #4190
    Ranger Lon
    Participant

    I posted it on our Facebook group

    in reply to: Permit Question #4189
    Ranger Lon
    Participant

    The Overnight form doesn’t include it because the Aspen Grove trail doesn’t have any camp locations on it. You have to connect to Fish Creek to get to the nearest camp.

    That is the reason, anyway, but I see how it could be a problem searching for a lost person if someone got into trouble between the junction and the trailhead. I will look into updating the form, In the meantime, you can either write it in, or add to the Remarks box to explain you are entering via Aspen Grove. The trail you use has no bearing on whether the permit can be issued, so no worries on that point.

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